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Jervis Bay Territory

Jervis Bay Territory is not a detached enclave of the ACT. It is a separate Australian territory. .^[1] CamV8 (talk) 23:15, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

^ "Jervis Bay Territory Governance and Administration". Although the Jervis Bay Territory is not part of the Australian Capital Territory, the laws of the ACT apply, in so far as they are applicable and, providing they are not inconsistent with an Ordinance, in the Territory by virtue of the Jervis Bay Acceptance Act 1915. The Department of Regional Australia, Local Government, Arts and Sport. Retrieved 17 January 2013.

tsunami

The bay is noted for slab stones which were caused by an ancient tsunami.

As far as I can tell, this statement is not exactly right. However, it does seem to be the case that other features are probably (if not uncontroversially) the result of huge tsunami, particularly boulders dropped atop unscratched slab stones, domino-stacking of other slabs, shell-rich sand atop tall cliffs, and various sand-dating results. The most detailed source seems to be [1]. Cesiumfrog (talk) 00:44, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fascinating reading. I suggest one sentence seems insufficient for this massive (recent not ancient) impact of land forming on the Australian coastline. CamV8 (talk) 07:17, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

pronunciation

The following was added by an anonIP, although the length, format, placement and sourcing seemed problematic. Cesiumfrog (talk) 00:03, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

PRONUNCIATION OF JERVIS BAY
YOU SAY JARVIS, WE SAY JERVIS
(From an article by Alan Clark in the South Coast Register, Friday 5th August, 2005)
“Jervis Bay is a major attraction in the Shoalhaven district, popular with local and visitors alike, but the pronunciation of Jervis has been a topic of debate for generations.
But just as some surnames are pronounced differently by branches of the family in different areas, the subject of ‘Jervis or Jarvis’ is regularly raised.
Jervis Bay was named in 1791 by Lt Richard Bowen after the British Admiral, Sir John Jervis (1735 – 1823) who is best known for being in command of the British fleet at the Battle of St Vincent in 1797.
After that battle he was created an earl, to be known as Earl St Vincent; but earlier in his career he had served alongside Captain James Cook at the siege of Quebec in 1759.
During 1928, Mr Jervis Manton wrote to the Speaker of the House of Representatives (Sir Littleton Groom) about the growing inclination in Australia to mispronounce the name of Jervis Bay.
He claimed to be descended from the original Jervis and asked the Speaker to do what he could to maintain the correct pronunciation ‘Jervis’.
When controversy raged on the subject during 1972, the State Member for South Coast, Jack Beale (who was also Minister for Environment Control) sought to have it clarified by the Geographical Names Board of NSW.
While not giving a definitive answer, the GNB’s response in January 1973 was that once a place name had been established in this State, it’s pronunciation would be determined ‘by popular usage’ which said it was ‘Jarvis’.
However, during that month Shoalhaven Shire confirmed a previous resolution that the correct pronunciation was “Jervis”.
In the meantime, developer Warren Halloran who, with his father before him, had taken great interest in the history of Jervis Bay and perpetuated the names from the Battle of St Vincent in Vincentia street names, decided to go to the source.
He contacted the then current Viscount St Vincent in England who advised that the family had always pronounced the name as it was spelt, “Jervis”.
Viscount St Vincent provided Mr Halloran with an extract from the family tree that showed the large overlap between generations which made it almost impossible for the pronunciation of the family name to change.
While working in England in 1998, South Coast Register journalist Alex Arnold was corrected by a former Royal Navy man who was adamant that he should be saying “Jarvis” Bay.
Two newsreaders asked about this subject both favour Jervis, but for different reasons.
Graham French of Radio 2ST said he had been guided by former colleague, the late Greg Toohey, who he said had been “obsessed with it”.
Toohey’s research led him to believe it was Jervis Bay, and French followed suit, although he had occasionally been corrected by naval people.
Former ABC television newsreader, Richard Morecroft who now lives in the vicinity of Jervis Bay, agrees.
He said he had been guided by the Standing Committee on Spoken English (SCOSE), although he believed it to be the preferred pronunciation rather than mandatory.
This was borne out by Irene Poinkin, SCOSE’s language researcher who did admit it was a “sore point”.
She quoted the BBC Dictionary of Pronunciation that indicated Sir John Jervis would haven pronounced his name as “Jervis”.
Although the Royal Australian Navy favours “Jarvis” for its vessel, HMAS Jervis Bay, according to Ms Poinkin, when there is doubt the spelling takes precedence.
So Jervis it is!”
Further to the above article, it should also be noted that at 11.30am on April 6th 1992 at the Declaration of the Jervis Bay National Park by the Australian Environment Minister, the Hon. Ros Kelly, MP at Greenpatch, Ms Kelly, in her role as Minister for the Crown, confirmed the pronunciation of Jervis Bay as being as it is spelt (not Jahvis)…Eyewitness account of Tom Phillips, Tourism Manager, Shoalhaven City Council. (File Number 11259)

I note the recent addition to this matter (the locals pronounce it Jer-vis[3]) The cite states in a letter to the speaker of the house published 1928. The Speaker of the House of Representatives (Sir Littleton Groom),has received a letter from Mr. Jervis Manton, which reads as follows:"There seems to be a growing inclination in Australia to mispronounce the name Jervis Bay. May I please assure you that the correct pronunciation of this word is Jervis and not Jarvis. Sir Thomas Jervis was a relative of my grandmother, and godfather to my father who, throughout his lifetime, was always called Jervis. If you will do what you can to maintain the correct pronunciation of Jervis I shall be glad.

Sir Thomas Jervis may have pronounced his name Jervis. However Jervis Bay is named after John Jervis, 1st Earl of St Vincent. I would also suggest that in 1928 the locals were pronouncing it Jarvis much to the dislike of Mr Jervis Manton. CamV8 (talk) 04:56, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jervis Hanton can pronounce his name the way he wants, but he can't truthfully assert that his pronunciation is valid for other, prior, usages of that name. The correct pronunciation is not as Jervis Hanton claims. The Navy uses correct pronunciation. Previous ships named after Jervis Bay have used the correct pronunciation. Here are the oral testimonies of four survivors of the HMS Jervis Bay, sunk by the Admiral Scheer in 1940: http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/80011472 http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/80011472 http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/80012053 http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/80012010 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.195.191.252 (talk) 22:52, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

on the south coast of New South Wales,

Somebody should look up what "south coast" means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.221.226.5 (talk) 20:01, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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would be great to settle the pronounciation issue Where is Perpendicular Bay? Pez098 (talk) 04:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] "Jervis Bay Territory Governance and Administration". Although the Jervis Bay Territory is not part of the Australian Capital Territory, the laws of the ACT apply, in so far as they are applicable and, providing they are not inconsistent with an Ordinance, in the Territory by virtue of the Jervis Bay Acceptance Act 1915. The Department of Regional Australia, Local Government, Arts and Sport. Retrieved 17 January 2013.

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